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    nills
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    Hello. I'm writing in hope to get some more ideas on how to avoid bans.

    I have a few questions in mind that hopefully someone has answers, or atleast an idea. 

    • The fresh start feature, I have it constantly ticked. Is this feature something you only use once in a while? I mean if my bots login with fresh start everytime it might seem suspicious?
    • I'm using proxies bought from https://proxy-seller.com/ and https://virmach.com/. After making fresh accounts using one of the proxies from proxy-seller, the accounts got locked but I could obviously unlock it. Should I still use those proxies even though it locked the accounts? And also, could someone recommend me to a place where I can buy unflagged proxies? 
    • When making emails using Virmach, I didn't have to authenticate with a phone number, but with proxy-seller I had to. Could it possibly mean it's flagged, by Jagex aswell?
    • Random.dat. This file, is not deleted with fresh-start I think (not sure). Is this something I should be deleting frequently?
    • Let's say I have a fresh account with little to no activity on it. If I drop-transfer 500k-1m to it would that possibly flag the account? Or if the account has done a few quests, leveled a few skills.
    • Would it be a better idea to make an account from scratch, hand train it for a few days and then start botting? Or would they detect that my patterns change either way? 

    I probably have alot more questions but for now I can't think of any. I have had around 10 bots that has been banned now over the course of 1-2 weeks. They were training to be used as barrows bots but the furthest I've come before getting banned is to around 45 att/str/def, 30 pray, 55 range, 70 magic, like 25-30 quest points (using RQuester) and a few more hand trained skills needed for Animal Magnestism etc.

    I get that these questions barely has any answers, but starting a discussion never hurts. 

    Appreciate any kind of information that could help me progress.

    Thank you in advance.

     

    Edit: Also, making unfinished potions with herblore, does that have a high ban-rate?

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    You shouldn't be using data center proxies for account creation. If you create too many accounts on a single IP they'll just start automatically locking every account you make. Rotating IP's are needed for account creation.

    I recommend just buying tutorial accounts in bulk and using those on the proxies. Make sure if you go this route to buy accounts to pair with the proxies you're using, for example: pair US created tutorial accounts with US proxies - otherwise you may experience locks.

    Don't drop trade anything, just transfer it straight over via trade. I wouldn't play any accounts I plan on botting by hand - they'll most likely be banned either way.

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    42 minutes ago, AsBakedAsCake said:

    You shouldn't be using data center proxies for account creation. If you create too many accounts on a single IP they'll just start automatically locking every account you make. Rotating IP's are needed for account creation.

    I recommend just buying tutorial accounts in bulk and using those on the proxies. Make sure if you go this route to buy accounts to pair with the proxies you're using, for example: pair US created tutorial accounts with US proxies - otherwise you may experience locks.

    Don't drop trade anything, just transfer it straight over via trade. I wouldn't play any accounts I plan on botting by hand - they'll most likely be banned either way.

    I guess Virmach and Proxy-seller are data centers then. I don't need rotating IP's because I don't need 100 accounts. I'm planning on using like 5, maybe 1-2 accounts per proxy, botting the same thing or different things. 

    And you're suggesting I buy accounts from re-sellers instead of making them myself? I don't understand why, either way I keep getting banned. To my understanding I just need proxies from somewhere that aren't flagged. 

    And why not drop trade? Trading directly feels like it would just reveal the mule.

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    3 hours ago, nills said:

    I guess Virmach and Proxy-seller are data centers then. I don't need rotating IP's because I don't need 100 accounts. I'm planning on using like 5, maybe 1-2 accounts per proxy, botting the same thing or different things. 

    And you're suggesting I buy accounts from re-sellers instead of making them myself? I don't understand why, either way I keep getting banned. To my understanding I just need proxies from somewhere that aren't flagged. 

    And why not drop trade? Trading directly feels like it would just reveal the mule.

    Creating accounts from scratch require residential proxies, data center proxies will result in locks/bans/flags on the accounts. 

    Your bans are probably a combination of a multitude of bad practices but the main one being the proxies you are creating accounts on.  You never mentioned what type of botting you are doing but I feel safe assuming it is something easily detectable. 

    Drop trading is retarded and just as easily traceable as direct trading.  Jagex while not the sharpest knife in the kitchen can still just as easily view drop/pickup logs as trade logs.

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    1 hour ago, yeeter01 said:

    Creating accounts from scratch require residential proxies, data center proxies will result in locks/bans/flags on the accounts. 

    Your bans are probably a combination of a multitude of bad practices but the main one being the proxies you are creating accounts on.  You never mentioned what type of botting you are doing but I feel safe assuming it is something easily detectable. 

    Drop trading is retarded and just as easily traceable as direct trading.  Jagex while not the sharpest knife in the kitchen can still just as easily view drop/pickup logs as trade logs.

    So to have a botfarm generate a reasonable sum requires that I either suicide bot with rotating IP's or use more expensive residential proxies to make/buy accounts to bot on?

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    1 minute ago, nills said:

    So to have a botfarm generate a reasonable sum requires that I either suicide bot with rotating IP's or use more expensive residential proxies to make/buy accounts to bot on?

    or think outside the box more and find better methods.  

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    8 hours ago, nills said:

    So to have a botfarm generate a reasonable sum requires that I either suicide bot with rotating IP's or use more expensive residential proxies to make/buy accounts to bot on?

    No. You can use data center proxies, just buy tutorial accounts in bulk. If you plan on taking this seriously, I would buy 100 tutorial accounts to start off and use em' as you go.

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    6 hours ago, AsBakedAsCake said:

    No. You can use data center proxies, just buy tutorial accounts in bulk. If you plan on taking this seriously, I would buy 100 tutorial accounts to start off and use em' as you go.

    Aight that's good to hear. 

    I'll buy accounts in bulk then. But why though, when I could just make a couple of accounts myself? 

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    1 hour ago, nills said:

    Aight that's good to hear. 

    I'll buy accounts in bulk then. But why though, when I could just make a couple of accounts myself? 

    If you want to keep the flow going, it's better to just have accounts ready on the fly.

    Also botting tutorial can cause flags, require more expensive proxies, and is typically not worth botting unless you want to open your own account shop.

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    32 minutes ago, AsBakedAsCake said:

    If you want to keep the flow going, it's better to just have accounts ready on the fly.

    Also botting tutorial can cause flags, require more expensive proxies, and is typically not worth botting unless you want to open your own account shop.

    I see, good point. Some of my accounts were botted on tut island and some were hand-made. 

    Do you find the bulk accounts to be reliable? As in, not flagged from start, hard to know though, and depends on the seller. Or maybe you don't have an opinion. 

    And also, any proxy sites you have good experience with? 

    Thank you very much for the help, I appreciate it. 

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